Linux Window-Move Issues

( an improvement suggestion )
 


PROBLEM:
No 'Move' 'keyboard-shortcut' is shown.
For newbies and the memory-challenged, hints would be useful
when a portion of a (big) window is off-screen/inaccessible.

SUGGESTION:
Add ALT-key hints
to the 'Window Menu'.

The Unix-style 'Alt-key-shortcut' hints
are missing from Linux 'window menus'.

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Example **Unix** 'window menus'

   
Example **Linux** 'window menus'
(Note: No 'ALT-key' hints.)

Problem :

In 2009-2010 I installed Ubuntu (9.04 and 9.10) on a netbook and two desktop PCs, as documented here.

Soon after the install on the netbook, I encountered problems with parts of windows being off-screen --- and, thus, buttons, like Cancel buttons and/or window managment buttons, being unavailable to mouse clicks. Windows seemed 'stuck', with no apparent way to move them.

Another typical window-move predicament: The title bar of X-windows going off the top of the screen (or under the Gnome panel at the top of the screen). There was no apparent way to move the window back down --- I could not click on the upper-left corner of the window (to get the window-menu with the Move option), because that corner of the window was inaccessible.

As a 10-year veteran on Unix (SGI IRIX), I knew that on Unix (running a Motif window manager) that an Alt-F-something-OR-other key-combo would allow one to move a window with the mouse --- for example, when you could not get to the window title bar --- more precisely, when you do not have access to the XwindowMenu 'button' at the top-left of the X-window.

I tried an Alt-F combo or two (memory did not serve me well for the correct number and technique to use). I was not successful, on that day, in getting an over-sized window to move up beyond the top panel of Ubuntu on the netbook, using keyboard shortcuts. I was trying to access a Cancel button at the bottom of the window.

I was persistent and eventually found solutions.


Solution(s) :

I now know to try Alt-ClickMB1 --- if the window is not maximized. (MB1 denotes mouse button one, which is usually the LEFT mouse-button, but could be the RIGHT mouse-button if you are left-handed and changed the assignment of mouse buttons 1 and 3.)

With Alt pressed, after clicking on the window, move the mouse. The window will move. (If the window is maximized, you cannot move it.)

    ALTERNATIVELY, use Alt-F7 --- WITHOUT click. (The 'WITHOUT' may have been my downfall in trying the Alt-F-keys. If you CLICK on the window after Alt-F7, the move option is cancelled. Or I may have been thwarted because the windows I tried to move may have been maximized.)

    After pressing Alt-and-F7, just move the mouse cursor over the window, and the window follows your mouse movements. (When you simply use the Alt key, without F7, you have to CLICK MB1, in order to get the window to pay attention to mouse movements.)

I now tend to use Alt-ClickMB1 (if I can remember that trick after many months of not using it), rather than an Alt-F7. It is nice pressing one key rather than two.

I used to use Alt-clickMB1 quite frequently, because it seemed that often --- for example, in editing with a GUI editor like 'gedit' --- the top of the window would go under the Gnome2 panel at the top of the screen.

This seemed to occur when text is inserted in 'gedit'. In any case, I was not dragging the 'gedit' window upward. Some ghost in the works was moving the window up.

The point here is that 'newbies' must get extremely frustrated with these 'stuck-partially-off-the-screen' windows and want to scurry back to MS Windohs, if they don't know about 'Alt-ClickMB1' or 'Alt-F7'.


The Wikipedia page on Table-of-keyboard-shorcuts gives a good overview of Window Management options, for several operating systems --- in the 'Window Management' section of that page.


The Point(s) :

My main point in detailing all this is: I hate to think of the many first-time Linux users who said "I'm staying with Microsoft Windows" because they were trapped with a big window on their screen and no apparent way to move the window --- for example, no way to get to a Cancel button at the bottom of the window, because it is beyond the bottom of the screen --- and because, if the window happens to be off screen to the top (or to the right-and-left), they don't even have a way to click a Close window option at the top left or right of the window --- and no hint of a Close-window keyboard shortcut, Alt-F4. (And no idea of how to 'kill' a window process.)

Or (a situation I was in) they may not want to Close the window and lose the work they did in the application up to the point of getting the 'stuck' window --- but they have no choice but to Close the window to get out of the predicament --- because they don't know of an effective window-move technique, to get to a Cancel button, or whatever.

If the gnome-session window manager would have put hints by the Move-Resize-Close options of the upper-left WindowMenu, like 'Alt-ClkMB1' and/or 'Alt-F7' for Move (there's room for both), I would have known what keyboard 'shortcut' to use. Even if I couldn't get to the WindowMenu on the 'stuck' window, I probably would have had the option to open another window and see the hints.

Why don't the window managers used on Linux (like Gnome's 'metacity' gnome-session or KDE's kdm or Fluxbox or ...) use hints like the ones used on the old Motif WindowMenu on Unix?!?!?! There's plenty of blank area for the hints --- as you can see in the images at the top of this page.

When Linux 'bigots' go ballistic on forums and insist that people should struggle with Linux rather than retreat to MS Windows, I just have to think of the 'little things' like these 'missing hints' that undoubtedly result in thousands of Linux-attempters being discouraged from going any further.

I just happened to be more persistent --- AND I had 10 years of Unix experience, so I was aware of some possibilities and thus how to form some useful web queries. And I knew how to query and 'kill' processes, if I REALLY got stuck. Most Linux attempters do not have advantages like that.

Anyway, some Linux (Gnome, KDE, Fluxbox, ...) developers should add this issue to their '100 Paper Cuts' list --- and then immediately resolve it (at least partially) by using the 'Alt-ClickMB1'/'Alt-F7' 'key-shortcut' menu-HINT suggestion here.

Perhaps there is an even better solution, such as ...

When the upper-left corner of a window is hidden, the window-menu popup appears, with the Move option high-lighted --- and with a Dismiss option. Too annoying? --- when windows are dragged partially off-screen to the left, for example?


Here is another KDE-example, in addition to
a blue example image near the top of this page.
NOTE: No 'Move' 'key-shortcut' hint.



Here's the window-menu hint that shows in Ubuntu-Gnome2 when
the mouse cursor is placed over the upper left corner of a window.

If you hold the Alt key and right-click on the 'body' of the window,
the 'Window Menu' pops up --- BUT it does not have the 'key-shortcut' hints.

The Gnome2 developers should have put a 'Move   Alt-ClickMB1' hint
or 'Move   Alt-F7' hint in the 'Window Menu' popup ---
like in the window-menu below.



A Fluxbox example. No 'Move' key-shortcut hint. No Move.



An Xfce example. No 'Move' key-shortcut hint.


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